Subject: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
 RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action??
| Subject: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-25-2004 |
| Author: t cann |
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What are the thoughts of the Remington 870 wingmaster classic trap? Since I'm new I don't know that the pump action is really an acceptable option, but I'm curious about the thoughts of those who do have experience, and the true applicable use of the pump action in sporting clays, trap or skeet. 
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-25-2004 |
| Author: milo |
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Make sure you don't eject your shell near another shooter or there will be hell to pay.
Trap shooters especialy, hate to be distracted from their game. 870's eject south east,unless you turn the gun over and eject the rd. down, you may offend an ATA next to you or behind if he/she is shooting handicap.
This is especially true if he or she is having a bad round.
Been there.
I don't know about skeet but forget about if you want to excell at sporting. There is enough to think about besides pumping the next one in. It is a great side game though.
Happy shooting.......
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-25-2004 |
| Author: t cann |
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Milo, thanks for the response. That would explain the abscence of pump actions in the sport, I guess I just never thought of the ejection of shells landing at a distance to intrude others.
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-26-2004 |
| Author: Trail |
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A lot depends on what kind of game you want to play.......There is nothing at all wrong with a pump gun for trap. In fact for many years pumps dominated the sport and you will still find MANY pumps on the line. The old model 12's were at one time the number one trap gun out there. You can shoot skeet with a trap just fine.....you'll be suprised at how quickly you'll adapt to working the action on doubles. I've shot a lot of skeet with an old Mossberg pump. You will not, however, find registered skeet shooters using pumps. For the casual skeet shooter, it's fine (you'd want a field grade gun for skeet). Same story for sporting clays....just fine for the casual shooter who goes 3 or 4 times per year. There are lots of guys out there that shoot a field grade 870 for everything. My father-in-law has a saying..."beware the man that shoots one gun.....he probably shoots it VERY well."
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-27-2004 |
| Author: kenh42 |
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I have had a great deal of fun with my 870 Pump. Also, I catch my hull with my right hand during the ejection process and put them in my vest for later reloading. Never had an issue with my neighabor with my pump. However, my 11-87 is a different story
Thanks
No hulls
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-27-2004 |
| Author: Moffett |
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I use my Browning BPS for all type of clays, but only for staying in practice for hunting season. It's bottom ejection so throwing shells in someone's face is not a problem. Many people use Auto's and don't mind peppering you with shells. You can do fine in competitive trap, but not skeet or sportings. Have fun and BE SAFE.
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-27-2004 |
| Author: Plazmabat |
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I disagree that the gun is not well suited for sporting. My best friend and regular shooting partner has used an 870 for years as his only sporting clays gun. He doesn't for trap (for the reasons noted already) but for sporting he uses it exclusively. The pump is reactionary after you get used to it and will come like second nature.
I just bought a new wingmster and have not had luck with it at clays. The length of pull seems awfully short to me. But as far as the gun goes I think it is simply one of the finest pumps you can buy, both in fit, finish and quality.
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-27-2004 |
| Author: Hoot |
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About one month ago, there was an older shooter at the range using an Ithaca pump. He was mainly a duck hunter, and wasn't going to break our course record, but at a couple of stations that were stacked doubles, I had to look at his gun to see if he was still using a pump. He used that old Ithaca his entire life and the pump came so fast, I guess you could call it "reactionary" or spooky.
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-28-2004 |
| Author: Plazmabat |
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I don't claim to be very good with a pump action, but I know a few die hard pump action truists that are that way. You would swear they are using an auto.
It's all what your comfortable with, I suppose.
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-28-2004 |
| Author: Moffett |
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My father used a pump before the advent of the "interrupter". This allowed a pump to be shot by holding down the trigger and just pumping it. Indeed he was very fast and accurate, having honed is skills in the Marines in WW2.Yes shotguns have been used in all wars. The Germans tried to get them banned because of the damage they did in close warfare. Today all modern pumps the trigger must be released before being reshot. This may slow it down a bit, but is probably safer. I've read in "Shotgun World" of a person tossing eight clays in the air and hitting them all within 2.1 seconds using a pump! I've also read similar claims using the model 12, which held seven shots. I don't think you could pull the trigger that fast on any auto?
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-28-2004 |
| Author: Plazmabat |
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The person you speak of is Benelli's Tom Knapp. He did it in 2000 with a Nova Pump. I would love to see this in person.
Here is the link: http://www.benelliusa.com/tom-knapp/index.tpl
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-28-2004 |
| Author: Trail |
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One more note about Pumps for Trap.....A couple times on this thread it's been mentioned that pumps can be a problem because you may shuck a hull into the next shooter. It simply isn't an issue. Anyone that shoots a pump more than a couple times quickly learns to put their hand over the chamber as the hull comes out, or you roll the gun so the chamber points toward the ground and shuck the hull. After many, many rounds of trap I've simply never seen it become problem.
Trail
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| Subject: RE: Remington 870 wingmaster Trap? Pump Action?? |
Date: 10-29-2004 |
| Author: BobK |
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The guy who tossed 7 clays in the air and broke 'em with a Model 12 was Herb Parsons - he didn't claim a "world record" for it, either. He just used a standard, factory produced M12, and not some tricked-out gun with an extended magazine. He did it MANY times, and I have an old tape of him doing this at a sportsman's show, along with other neat shots, back in the '50s. He used to put a shot with a .22 through the hole of a tossed washer - then wait until someone asked how they could be sure he passed the bullet through the hole. Then he would place some tape on the washer, over the hole, toss it in the air, and shoot a hole in the tape!
BobK
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