Subject: Beretta AL 391
Beretta AL 391
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| Subject: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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I bought my son an AL 391 about 12 months ago. We have had on going problems with it not cycling the second shell. It would eject the spent shell OK but occasionally the new cartridge would catch as it was entering the chamber and hold the breach open.We have had it back manufacturers many times but it never malfunctions for them. Has anyone else had similar problems.If so how did you overcome them? 
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Mike |
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Take it to a gunsmith gander mountain has some pretty good ones or a local guy. They have a little more brain power than the factory gunsmiths. Take it back to were you bought it too.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: TIMC |
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Trevor,
check the shells you are using. In my 391 I use nothing less than 1 1/8 oz shot. Semi-auto's are gas operated and require the right amount of back pressure to cycle. Back pressure is created by the amount of ressure it takes to push the shot out of the barrel. Low shot weights do not require as much pressure to ppush so not as much back pressure is generated. Try 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 oz shot and see how it works.
Tim
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Max |
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trevor, try a 3 dr. or 3 1/4dr. weight shell. with a 1 or 1 1/8 oz load. if you think that this is to much for you or your son, simply have the springs changed to accept lighter loads.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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We have had virtually no trouble with 32gram loads and some of the faster 1oz loads are ok. But for shooting other disciplines like ISSF Skeet ATA Trap etc you are restricted with the shells you can use. As regards to changing the springs could you explain that a bit further?
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Mike |
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Tell us the exact shell your using. Grams are you canadain?
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: k79.5 |
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Be careful with reloads. Frequently they will not cycle correctly. If you have been using reloads, try a few boxes of factory ammo. If the problem vanished then you have your solution. If that is the case, as mentioned above, have the springs changes to handle the lighter loads. I'd comment about a charles daly but it isn't worth encouraging that person to return here.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-30-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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I am Australian. We've used 11/8oz winchester supreme,Mirage11/8oz sporting,Fiocchi 11/8,Generally we only use factory ammo.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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I just bought a 391 a couple months ago and have the same problem, 2nd shell jams. I have tried all kinds of ammo. Beretta wants me to send it in but said turn around time is 2-3 weeks. Others have said I will be in for a wait. I am reluctant to be without it for that long. I will probably try a local gunsmith first. Let me know if you get it resolved. I cleaned up the end of the barrel and it improved but it still happens every 50 -75 rounds.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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rp930 I am interested to hear of your experiences with 391(you never hear of this from the manufacturers)One of Beretta Australia's theories was because my son was of slight stature,the resistance provided by his shoulder was not enough cycle the gun.mmmm.Yes we have used probably 30 different shells.Generally the bigger the kick the better it works.Minimum of 1300fps for 1oz shells these work OK.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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Since I am 6'4" and none too light I don't think it has anything to do with stature. Everyone including gunsmiths say it shouldn't be happening. Beretta Rep supposed to be at range with demo's tomorrow and I will ask him what he knows. Hope it's not chronic. I have talked to other owners at range and they experience no problem on lighter loads than I use. Let me know if you get resolved.
I would rather jam a shell than show up at the range with a Daly
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: TheHawg |
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The 391 is gas operated. It should be able to cycle almost any shell, light or heavy. Since it is gas operated, it also doesn't need to be resting against a stationary object in order to cycle. I believe that that only applys to guns that rely on recoil to cycle (Browning A5, Benellis, etc.) This gun, as well as most gas guns, does require a good cleaning after shooting; and it is a pain. The gas piston needs to be cleaned. The gas cylinder needs cleaning, and probably most importantly, the rod upon which the piston slides needs to be cleaned with a wire brush or steel wool after each use. I also take the piston apart using snap ring pliers and clean it after about every 5 or so uses. Your gun might have a flaw. I had a Remington once that did the same thing. It turned out that it had some piece of metal which was part of the ejector system that was manufactured a little too long. The gunsmith grinded it a little shorter and it worked fine. Try the cleaning. If it doesn't help, let your gunsmith look at it. I love my 391, although I have started shooting a 686 more often these days.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: TheHawg |
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Guys, this guy who claims to be 12 gauge is an imposter. Although the original 12 gauge asked a lot of silly questions, he wasn't simply trying to piss people off. This new guy is simply an unpleasent sort who is trying to get a rise from everybody.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 07-31-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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Amen to that!
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-01-2003 |
| Author: piranha2 |
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I have 2 391s and only once had a problem - it was lack of lube on the trigger group. What you are experiencing is not normal - it needs oil or it needs repair - my guns will eject any shell I feed them and in any order.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-02-2003 |
| Author: David Frank |
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Most guys never lube the bottom of the bolt. There is a lot of drag there as it rubs across the trigger group. Use a light amount of good gun grease or I prefer to use moly paste. Try it!!
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-03-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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I will try it. Thanks. What does it rub on trigger group? I've cleaned and lubed everything else. It was worse than ever at clays today.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-03-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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Took apart and lubed bottom of bolt. I see what you mean. Lots of wear marks on the bolt. Hope it works. Also found 1 compensation port blocked.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-10-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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Finally found out the problem. An experienced shooter at the clays course noticed I had a bad habit of not letting up fully on the trigger between shots and keeping some pressure on before the shot. Shot 140 through it after that - no problem.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-16-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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After pulling my AL391 to bits trying to solve the problem with non cycling the second shell,I noticed the exhaust valve assembly did not correspond exactly with what was pictured in the Instruction manual. I compared it with a mates gun (who has no problem with his gun cycling)and his is as listed in the manual. The difference is a half tube shaped extension to the exhaust valve assembly which I believe would effect exhaust gas flow. I would be interested to hear if any one else has noticed this.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-16-2003 |
| Author: piranha2 |
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If you are talking about the "extension" that lines up with the gas ports from the barrel, it is there to distribute the gases evenly all the way around the valve. It sounds like the way it should be. You are correct, the manual does not show it clearly, but it must be there. Also, the half moon must be up against the barrel, not down towards the foreend. Here is another exloded view and, again, does not show what it should. http://www.berettaweb.com/sezionati/sezionati.htm
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-16-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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Thanks for the website. The part is 112 valve shaft. My gun shows a half moon extension on the valve shaft.Where as my friends gun is as shown in the picture. Are you saying the your gun has the half moon extension as well? I can't help but wonder why beretta changed this.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-17-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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Trevor, Mine has the half moon attached and there is only one logical way to install it. After lubing the slide and bottom of the bolt with a quality gun grease and being sure to let up on the trigger fully between shots I have cycled 350 shells without a single jam. I did not clean between the first 175 and the second 175. I think mine is cured.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-17-2003 |
| Author: piranha2 |
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Trevor, yes, part no. 112. Both of my 391s have the half moon gas distributor on them.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-21-2003 |
| Author: Trevor |
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Inclosing Beretta Australia have decided to replace my son's gun with a new one. The old one is going back to Italy. I am pleased with outcome.Let's hope the new one performs.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 08-25-2003 |
| Author: Gayle |
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I thought my gun was unique until I seen the forum conversation. I was going to a gunsmith anyway to have the gun fitted and a new pad installed. I was so disappointed with the second shell problem the first time I tried it. The gunsmith fixed it in a couple days, along with the the fitting. (I am on the small side). Now, the gun works perfect. Interesting comment on the picture element. I would still take the replacement gun to a reputable gunsmith along with your son and have him measure the fit properly. I only paid $100. overall and it was really worth it.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 09-08-2003 |
| Author: austin1288 |
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i had the same problem, i also shoot 1 oz loads i just oiled the action and shot alot and got it broken in try this it may work i dont no
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 09-10-2003 |
| Author: rp930 |
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I gave up and traded for a 682 Gold E. This is Beretta's last chance for me.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 09-15-2003 |
| Author: wayne-w |
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I've never had any trouble with shells untill the gun gets dirty. I've shot 7/8 oz and it worked fine.I was told when I bought the gun to run some 3in heavy loads first to break it in.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 09-16-2003 |
| Author: HENRY |
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MANY TIMES IT'S CAUSED BY THE SHELLS NOT BEING A HEAVY ENOUGH SHOT. TRY A HEAVIER LOAD AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 10-05-2005 |
| Author: Clayman1 |
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I recently purchased the 391 Sporting and am experiencing the same problem on the range; second shell not cycling properly every 20-50 rounds.
Did you find the root cause of the problem? Or, should I return the gun for another 391?
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| Subject: RE: Beretta AL 391 |
Date: 10-06-2005 |
| Author: ultramag |
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The problem is a bad run of lifters by Beretta,mine had the same problem 1-3% feed failure. And no, Beretta won't send a free one to replace it.i think they'er around $35-$40 Just contact beretta and order a new lifter,they're not hard to install yourself. I did, and all my feeding issues went away. This has been covered extensively on another board i frequent, common 391 problem.
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